danu2007
05-07 09:44 PM
Please write a letter to CIS Ombudsman and they will open a case with USCIS to follow up and it will have results. I have done it once and I got the response from USCIS faster.
You can find more details here
http://www.dhs.gov/ximgtn/programs/editorial_0497.shtm
You can find more details here
http://www.dhs.gov/ximgtn/programs/editorial_0497.shtm
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alias
08-18 01:45 PM
I don think this issue concerns you. So , with all due respect, please BACK OFF.
Nope, you are wrong. Anyting spoken in this website concerns every aspirant immigrant member. You need to get that straight!
Nope, you are wrong. Anyting spoken in this website concerns every aspirant immigrant member. You need to get that straight!
anzerraja
07-20 12:18 AM
Thanks !
I pledge $100 for this cause also.
Would also like to thank Gopal (gsc999) for getting all the banners done and helping a lot in organizing the SJ rally.Kudos to all Noble souls in the IV Core. I think what IV has acheived is amazing and unprecedented. Also money is too small to repay all the hours and work you guys have put in.
I am sure God will bless all of you with a timely GC :). Best Wishes again.
I pledge $100 for this cause also.
Would also like to thank Gopal (gsc999) for getting all the banners done and helping a lot in organizing the SJ rally.Kudos to all Noble souls in the IV Core. I think what IV has acheived is amazing and unprecedented. Also money is too small to repay all the hours and work you guys have put in.
I am sure God will bless all of you with a timely GC :). Best Wishes again.
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hiralal
05-09 12:22 AM
President Obama, we are here to pursue the American Dream and we find hurdles at every level during the immigration process.
Thank you President Obama and you are doing a wonderful job!
Sincerely,
Xxxxx xxxxx[/QUOTE]
just a thought ..we should send it to media, congress and President Obama. what if some directives are coming up from the admin ...
DHS secy was saying they will be tough on H1 ..maybe they are tough on GC's too ..another point what if they are trying to waste the visas on purpose (to tighten immigration) ..and hence we need to send letters to media and congress. Media is a must !!
Thank you President Obama and you are doing a wonderful job!
Sincerely,
Xxxxx xxxxx[/QUOTE]
just a thought ..we should send it to media, congress and President Obama. what if some directives are coming up from the admin ...
DHS secy was saying they will be tough on H1 ..maybe they are tough on GC's too ..another point what if they are trying to waste the visas on purpose (to tighten immigration) ..and hence we need to send letters to media and congress. Media is a must !!
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franklin
06-05 07:48 PM
All you lucky guys who can file for 485, please contribute to IV.
Thanks.
In spite of all the forum spamming, I have contributed, thank you
And yes, I've sent multiple faxes to every senator.
And yes, I've visited, phoned and emailed multiple senators and congressmen.
And yes, I've sent approximately 700 emails to media outlets nationwide
PLEASE stop spamming the forums
Thanks.
In spite of all the forum spamming, I have contributed, thank you
And yes, I've sent multiple faxes to every senator.
And yes, I've visited, phoned and emailed multiple senators and congressmen.
And yes, I've sent approximately 700 emails to media outlets nationwide
PLEASE stop spamming the forums
unitednations
08-25 03:39 AM
I am not sure what the writer is trying to say.
In my field we try to hire the best applicant for the job whether American, European or Asian or from elsewhere does not matter. Otherwise you get a bunch that do not know how to convert units and crash things ... let me not name them.
Transfers are for people to change jobs. I have done it. My employer(s) do(did) it all the time.
What do you propose? Keep waiting for green cards 10-15yrs without knowing if it will be approved in the end.
H1B is for labor shortage. If there is an abuse then the govt needs to crack down. If the laws come short, then better laws can be crafted.
these are very complex issues, where a lot of people try to trivialize or minimize. I haven't visited the forums in a while but doesn't look like much has changed. Division betwen IT and non IT. Dvision between people working at "full time positions". division between eb2 and eb3; country quota, etc.
Look what department of labor is now doing with Fragomen clients. Staffing companies generally do not use fragomen; they are the biggest of big companie. Fragomen made a lot of oise regarding immigration. In this country you make noise people look at what you are doing and figure out a way to make you shut up. Now; DOL has figured it out. they are sending second audit requests and people are scrambling trying to figure out wha to do. Do you not think that these companies are going to pause in filing labors for people going forward due to the additional hassle and the bad publicity if their labors do get denied?
In my field we try to hire the best applicant for the job whether American, European or Asian or from elsewhere does not matter. Otherwise you get a bunch that do not know how to convert units and crash things ... let me not name them.
Transfers are for people to change jobs. I have done it. My employer(s) do(did) it all the time.
What do you propose? Keep waiting for green cards 10-15yrs without knowing if it will be approved in the end.
H1B is for labor shortage. If there is an abuse then the govt needs to crack down. If the laws come short, then better laws can be crafted.
these are very complex issues, where a lot of people try to trivialize or minimize. I haven't visited the forums in a while but doesn't look like much has changed. Division betwen IT and non IT. Dvision between people working at "full time positions". division between eb2 and eb3; country quota, etc.
Look what department of labor is now doing with Fragomen clients. Staffing companies generally do not use fragomen; they are the biggest of big companie. Fragomen made a lot of oise regarding immigration. In this country you make noise people look at what you are doing and figure out a way to make you shut up. Now; DOL has figured it out. they are sending second audit requests and people are scrambling trying to figure out wha to do. Do you not think that these companies are going to pause in filing labors for people going forward due to the additional hassle and the bad publicity if their labors do get denied?
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08-20 02:17 PM
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knnmbd
05-05 11:58 AM
Dear admins,
I think deleting my post was not fair. The other people who have been bashing us with MS degrees need to also have their posts deleted.
I was not offensive in anyway, I just pointed out the reality of the situation and that is not "being offensive."
If you are afraid of alienating some of your contributors, well then by deleting the posts of ppl with Masters degrees you risk alienating them.
If I offended the admin personally if he/she does not have a masters degree, I apologize for hurting your "feelings" but that does not allow you to delete my post .
Finally, since 99% of the time the admins come back with not relevant to the thread, I agree on that ground but respectfully request the deletion of posts by a bunch of others like the "hiring manager" who instigated this discussion.
Admin:
Can you also delete posts where there was some bashing of people with advanced degrees, just to make it fair? I think the whole thing was started by the guy (GCsucks) by addressing people who attend U.S universities as "Kids" and I agree with "yabadaba" that this is reality and we were just pointing out what the issues are. If it's a case of sour grapes then may be that guy should vent his frustration else where or easier GET HIMSELF AN ADVANCED DEGREE IN THE U.S
I think deleting my post was not fair. The other people who have been bashing us with MS degrees need to also have their posts deleted.
I was not offensive in anyway, I just pointed out the reality of the situation and that is not "being offensive."
If you are afraid of alienating some of your contributors, well then by deleting the posts of ppl with Masters degrees you risk alienating them.
If I offended the admin personally if he/she does not have a masters degree, I apologize for hurting your "feelings" but that does not allow you to delete my post .
Finally, since 99% of the time the admins come back with not relevant to the thread, I agree on that ground but respectfully request the deletion of posts by a bunch of others like the "hiring manager" who instigated this discussion.
Admin:
Can you also delete posts where there was some bashing of people with advanced degrees, just to make it fair? I think the whole thing was started by the guy (GCsucks) by addressing people who attend U.S universities as "Kids" and I agree with "yabadaba" that this is reality and we were just pointing out what the issues are. If it's a case of sour grapes then may be that guy should vent his frustration else where or easier GET HIMSELF AN ADVANCED DEGREE IN THE U.S
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lord_labaku
08-18 03:05 PM
With this issue of priority date taking a back seat to notice date when dates are current :
While it is frustrating to the people with older priority dates (including me); it could very well be that USCIS is approving people with later priority dates sooner because its simply easier for them to do so. I really hope that this trend does not last beyond Aug-Sep. And in October, for EB2 - I, there is still a good likelihood that for people with priority dates < 2004, dates may still be current. So they can very well be approved from Oct onwards. So if I have to sacrifice a few months of waiting time to make sure visa numbers dont go wasted. I am prepared to do so.
Also it is very likely that people with older priority dates have a longer history in the US. So USCIS might need more time correlating all entry/exit time stamps, making sure we were in status all this while; but a person with 2006 priority date might have entered the US in 2005 & so less history to check.
Also there is the case where later priority dates were using PERM. since PERM was made to be less abusive than the previous LC process, maybe they take less time cross checking LC data.
It is unfair. So is life. Do I think a person with EB3 with priority date 2002 needs to wait 5 more years than a person with EB2 priority date 2006. No thats unfair as well.
Complaining issues such as this to the authorities will only make one thing clear - The current US immigration is full of such vagaries. It needs a clear & complete over haul. Thats not gonna happen soon.
For now, I think we just be satisfied with our EAD cards & AP & wait for the GC when it comes. It will be little less frustrating if we dont keep looking at immigration trackers.
While it is frustrating to the people with older priority dates (including me); it could very well be that USCIS is approving people with later priority dates sooner because its simply easier for them to do so. I really hope that this trend does not last beyond Aug-Sep. And in October, for EB2 - I, there is still a good likelihood that for people with priority dates < 2004, dates may still be current. So they can very well be approved from Oct onwards. So if I have to sacrifice a few months of waiting time to make sure visa numbers dont go wasted. I am prepared to do so.
Also it is very likely that people with older priority dates have a longer history in the US. So USCIS might need more time correlating all entry/exit time stamps, making sure we were in status all this while; but a person with 2006 priority date might have entered the US in 2005 & so less history to check.
Also there is the case where later priority dates were using PERM. since PERM was made to be less abusive than the previous LC process, maybe they take less time cross checking LC data.
It is unfair. So is life. Do I think a person with EB3 with priority date 2002 needs to wait 5 more years than a person with EB2 priority date 2006. No thats unfair as well.
Complaining issues such as this to the authorities will only make one thing clear - The current US immigration is full of such vagaries. It needs a clear & complete over haul. Thats not gonna happen soon.
For now, I think we just be satisfied with our EAD cards & AP & wait for the GC when it comes. It will be little less frustrating if we dont keep looking at immigration trackers.
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thurinalas
08-28 02:20 PM
Filed I485/EAD/AP on July 30th @ NSC.
Check cashed :NO
Receipts : NO
can we add two polls within the date subcategories - one which tracks how many people received receipts, and another to check if they are NSC or TSC?
Or are there other polls like this already for July 17 - Aug 17th I 485 Filers?
Check cashed :NO
Receipts : NO
can we add two polls within the date subcategories - one which tracks how many people received receipts, and another to check if they are NSC or TSC?
Or are there other polls like this already for July 17 - Aug 17th I 485 Filers?
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ravi.shah
11-18 10:35 AM
Sent Emails...
Thanks everyone !
Thanks everyone !
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gjoe
10-08 03:46 PM
A rich man had a bunch of horses and donkeys. He used some to carry the load and some he tried to breed for participating in races. He was trying something but not very effeciently.
When we have a mix of people like in this forum, you will see different people, different thoughts, ideas and talent. A leader with patience can put to use more than 90% of the resources (members), if he knows what he/she is doing. No matter how many times you ask some will never go to rallies, some will never participate in state chapters, some will never contribute money, etc. Trying to get everybody to do the same thing is never going to work. Please don't mistake me or take offence. All that I am saying is "Horse should be for races and donkeys should be for carrying the load" In no way the donkey is inferior to the horse or vice versa.
BTW I work for the goverment and I know a little bit more than what you know about it. I am not saying this to belittle you but just mentioning my opinion
Firstly, no one can shut down thoughts. They are inside your head. What I am saying is that match your thoughts with your actions, not just expression of thoughts. If you want to express your ideas and thoughts, do it in a way that its heard by people that matter. Your ideas and thoughts heard by other people like you is meaningless. If you can match ACTIONS to propogate your thoughts, by hauling your ass to Washington DC, spending some $$ out of pocket on travel to DC and meeting with a few of the 535 offices, then it matters. Otherwise your idea is not worth 2 cents sitting on forums read by people who are not legislators.
Secondly, YOU THINK that asking USCIS to follow the rules is easier than changing rules (thru legislation). That's because , you and many others like you, think of Government function as if its an IT project. Occupational hazard. That is not how the Government works. The reason they dont follow the rules is because they (1) dont care and (2) are not accountable. USCIS and its non-FIFO procedures, FBI namecheck delays, backlogs in receipting and adjudication of 140 (Atlanta PERM) etc is something that congress cannot fix. USCIS, FBI report to DHS and DOJ respectively and they in turn, report to the White House. Congress can rarely make them work better and make them answer for mistakes, as congress can only do "Oversight" hearings on them. Haul an agency or department head in front of a committee and ask questions (pre submitted). And ask them questions. Make some show on CSPAN. At the end of the day, if Administration tell congress - "GET LOST, mind your own business, this is the best we can do and we are doing it", then congress cannot do anything. Other than impeaching someone. No one is going to impeach Mike Chertoff because one of his agencies (USCIS) is not doing FIFO on something called 485 (which no one in DC knows what it is).
Congressional input rarely works. Example: Intervention of Congress during July bulletin. You know why? Because Congress HAD TO DO IT because of the uproar. I dont see any uproar and your issues like "there is no FIFO", "My PERM is stuck in Atlant for 6 months", or "I am stuck in namecheck for 4 years".
These things need lobbying the Administration. Lobbying the administration is MUCH MORE DIFFICULT and EXPENSIVE than lobbying congress. Why? Because each office of Congress has a boss that faces elections very often. Every 2 years in House and every 6 years in the Senate. Plus they have 535 offices (435 in House, 100 in senate). That means easier access. On the other hand, there is only one office heading USCIS, office of Emelio Gonzalez, and only one Michael Chertoff and only one DOJ and its FBI. So the access of more difficult and lobbying is more expensive.
When it comes to administration, you have limited leverage. Other than 2 people in the entire administration, no one is getting job by elections. The only 2 positions in this branch of Government that are elected and directly accountable to people are President and Vice President. Mike Chertoff of DHS or Emelio Gonzalez of USCIS wont lose next election coz those are on appointed positions not elected positions. Which also means that they dont have to worry about making people angry.
So you see, ASKING for good things like FIFO and Faster namecheck is great in theory. But please understand, from a civic lession viewpoint, the 3 branches of government viewpoint and then make suggestions.
Is Immigration Voice an organization that can raise 100,000 a month each month? NO. Not right now. Right now, people are busy checking their mailboxes for EAD cards. Out of 23,000 registered members, if each contribute $5 a month (equivalent to a burger, fries and coke), it is 100,000 a month. But it wont happen.
So until that happens, feel free to express your thoughts and opinions and brilliant ideas and happy forum discussion. If that's what makes you all happy and content.
When we have a mix of people like in this forum, you will see different people, different thoughts, ideas and talent. A leader with patience can put to use more than 90% of the resources (members), if he knows what he/she is doing. No matter how many times you ask some will never go to rallies, some will never participate in state chapters, some will never contribute money, etc. Trying to get everybody to do the same thing is never going to work. Please don't mistake me or take offence. All that I am saying is "Horse should be for races and donkeys should be for carrying the load" In no way the donkey is inferior to the horse or vice versa.
BTW I work for the goverment and I know a little bit more than what you know about it. I am not saying this to belittle you but just mentioning my opinion
Firstly, no one can shut down thoughts. They are inside your head. What I am saying is that match your thoughts with your actions, not just expression of thoughts. If you want to express your ideas and thoughts, do it in a way that its heard by people that matter. Your ideas and thoughts heard by other people like you is meaningless. If you can match ACTIONS to propogate your thoughts, by hauling your ass to Washington DC, spending some $$ out of pocket on travel to DC and meeting with a few of the 535 offices, then it matters. Otherwise your idea is not worth 2 cents sitting on forums read by people who are not legislators.
Secondly, YOU THINK that asking USCIS to follow the rules is easier than changing rules (thru legislation). That's because , you and many others like you, think of Government function as if its an IT project. Occupational hazard. That is not how the Government works. The reason they dont follow the rules is because they (1) dont care and (2) are not accountable. USCIS and its non-FIFO procedures, FBI namecheck delays, backlogs in receipting and adjudication of 140 (Atlanta PERM) etc is something that congress cannot fix. USCIS, FBI report to DHS and DOJ respectively and they in turn, report to the White House. Congress can rarely make them work better and make them answer for mistakes, as congress can only do "Oversight" hearings on them. Haul an agency or department head in front of a committee and ask questions (pre submitted). And ask them questions. Make some show on CSPAN. At the end of the day, if Administration tell congress - "GET LOST, mind your own business, this is the best we can do and we are doing it", then congress cannot do anything. Other than impeaching someone. No one is going to impeach Mike Chertoff because one of his agencies (USCIS) is not doing FIFO on something called 485 (which no one in DC knows what it is).
Congressional input rarely works. Example: Intervention of Congress during July bulletin. You know why? Because Congress HAD TO DO IT because of the uproar. I dont see any uproar and your issues like "there is no FIFO", "My PERM is stuck in Atlant for 6 months", or "I am stuck in namecheck for 4 years".
These things need lobbying the Administration. Lobbying the administration is MUCH MORE DIFFICULT and EXPENSIVE than lobbying congress. Why? Because each office of Congress has a boss that faces elections very often. Every 2 years in House and every 6 years in the Senate. Plus they have 535 offices (435 in House, 100 in senate). That means easier access. On the other hand, there is only one office heading USCIS, office of Emelio Gonzalez, and only one Michael Chertoff and only one DOJ and its FBI. So the access of more difficult and lobbying is more expensive.
When it comes to administration, you have limited leverage. Other than 2 people in the entire administration, no one is getting job by elections. The only 2 positions in this branch of Government that are elected and directly accountable to people are President and Vice President. Mike Chertoff of DHS or Emelio Gonzalez of USCIS wont lose next election coz those are on appointed positions not elected positions. Which also means that they dont have to worry about making people angry.
So you see, ASKING for good things like FIFO and Faster namecheck is great in theory. But please understand, from a civic lession viewpoint, the 3 branches of government viewpoint and then make suggestions.
Is Immigration Voice an organization that can raise 100,000 a month each month? NO. Not right now. Right now, people are busy checking their mailboxes for EAD cards. Out of 23,000 registered members, if each contribute $5 a month (equivalent to a burger, fries and coke), it is 100,000 a month. But it wont happen.
So until that happens, feel free to express your thoughts and opinions and brilliant ideas and happy forum discussion. If that's what makes you all happy and content.
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man-woman-and-gc
09-13 11:20 PM
Yes.
We have thousands here. We take just 1000 people and if everyone contributes 100 dollars - its 100,000 dollars. Just an estimate for lawyer fees incase we get that far
We are from BHARAT. Its a loaded statement. WE dont lose.
TOGETHER WE STAND, TOGETHER WE STAND my brothers and sisters.
It sounds easy..but funding drives are not always easy when reality strikes...how about starting a spreadsheet with names and ph# of people who are willing to contribute $100 for this lawsuit. As soon as we have the 1000th name, we start depositing money to a bank account. 100 grand is not small amount and I am sure we can find a good enough lawyer to start a lawsuit for that kind of money.
I and my wife are ready with our 100 bucks each.....and can help with maintaing the spreadsheet etc.... how do we get those 1000 names now....or do we even have support of 1000 people around here...that is the biggest question.
We have thousands here. We take just 1000 people and if everyone contributes 100 dollars - its 100,000 dollars. Just an estimate for lawyer fees incase we get that far
We are from BHARAT. Its a loaded statement. WE dont lose.
TOGETHER WE STAND, TOGETHER WE STAND my brothers and sisters.
It sounds easy..but funding drives are not always easy when reality strikes...how about starting a spreadsheet with names and ph# of people who are willing to contribute $100 for this lawsuit. As soon as we have the 1000th name, we start depositing money to a bank account. 100 grand is not small amount and I am sure we can find a good enough lawyer to start a lawsuit for that kind of money.
I and my wife are ready with our 100 bucks each.....and can help with maintaing the spreadsheet etc.... how do we get those 1000 names now....or do we even have support of 1000 people around here...that is the biggest question.
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dilbert_cal
06-07 11:04 AM
My attorney said the checks should be payable to USCIS not DHS. The PD is always ur LC filed date. Receipt date is when the application is received and notice date is when they assing a LIN/wac number and take ur money.
If you download the 485 form from the following url and go to page six, it states
"The check or money order should be made payable to theDepartment of Homeland Security"
I believe previously it used to be USCIS. Now what I dont know is if they will accept checks made for USCIS or not.
The url is
http://www.uscis.gov/files/form/i-485.pdf
If you download the 485 form from the following url and go to page six, it states
"The check or money order should be made payable to theDepartment of Homeland Security"
I believe previously it used to be USCIS. Now what I dont know is if they will accept checks made for USCIS or not.
The url is
http://www.uscis.gov/files/form/i-485.pdf
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clear485
08-18 01:21 PM
What are reasons .. as to why it cant be solved by lawsuit ?? Are u afraid that they might stop processing any I-485 applications for EB2-I until the lawsuit gets resolved ??
I'm ready to join in the law suit....
I'm ready to join in the law suit....
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JAWAD
05-03 09:19 AM
Has the issue of waiting times before being eligible to apply for citizenship been raised at all by Immigration Voice?? Currently one needs to wait for 5 years after being granted permanent status to be eligible to apply for citizenship. Now, considering the current backlog and the fact that Congress has mandated processing times to be much less than what we are experiencing, has the issue of getting credit for the lost backlog years in the citizenship process been raised? As I explained it to a friend the other day: This is becoming a retirement program - over 5 years at labor cert + another 4 at USCIS + 5 years waiting period + 3 years citizenship process = 0ver 17 years before we can cast a vote in this nation to which we contribute economically, intellectually, and socially. Not to forget that we are the ones doing things by the book and following the law on immigration.
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getgc2008
07-09 02:41 PM
I am in a similar position but working on 3 months contract through a consulting company on w2. It is similar to my 485 job details, but it is a short term project.
Would I get an RFE if I work on contract on W2?
Would I get an RFE if I work on contract on W2?
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newuser
05-23 04:36 PM
Here is the link (http://immigrationvoice.org/media/forums/Reporter_Contacts.xls) to download above mentioned contacts from the thread.
Instructions on how to import all the contacts into yahoo address book.
1. Download the file and save it to desktop.
2. Click the options on the left when you logon to yahoo mail.
3. Then click the address book to the right.
4. Under management, click Import/Export.
5. Select the yahoo .csv option. Browse to the file and press the import button.
6. All the addresses should be under your contacts now.
Can some one post all the email addresses in one place or at least tell me how to do . i am ready to do that
Nand
Instructions on how to import all the contacts into yahoo address book.
1. Download the file and save it to desktop.
2. Click the options on the left when you logon to yahoo mail.
3. Then click the address book to the right.
4. Under management, click Import/Export.
5. Select the yahoo .csv option. Browse to the file and press the import button.
6. All the addresses should be under your contacts now.
Can some one post all the email addresses in one place or at least tell me how to do . i am ready to do that
Nand
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hopefull_in_guam
02-05 07:06 PM
Sorry if this is not about GC or any US immigration processes...i just would like to know if anybody can help me or provide me the procedures to obtain Canadian PR. I already had an assessment done (me and my husband under H1 here in US as Accountants ) and we have I-140 and 485 pending. We are thinking of trying Canada.
I always checked and read this site but this is my first post and your help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
I always checked and read this site but this is my first post and your help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
gc_peshwa
11-17 04:45 PM
Pappu
Running this thread to thousands of pages alone is not gonna help us. Do you guys have a conference call where I can join and take up some action items?
IF IV has to throw its might behind this bill we need to:
-Reach out to ALL lawmakers, target who are susceptible (Sen. Brown from MA for example)
-Use phone calls (Can we have a mass phone campaign)
-Radio shows (Do we have a Radio show in Washington DC where IV can get Air time. I am sure lawmakers do listen to Radio shows)
-Email (what this thread is about right now)
Running this thread to thousands of pages alone is not gonna help us. Do you guys have a conference call where I can join and take up some action items?
IF IV has to throw its might behind this bill we need to:
-Reach out to ALL lawmakers, target who are susceptible (Sen. Brown from MA for example)
-Use phone calls (Can we have a mass phone campaign)
-Radio shows (Do we have a Radio show in Washington DC where IV can get Air time. I am sure lawmakers do listen to Radio shows)
-Email (what this thread is about right now)
GreenMe
07-10 09:54 AM
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